I was thinking recently about someone with whom I tried to have a conversation.
I realized the other day why I could not get through to her... she was brainwashed. that's right she was programmed, not only was she programmed but it was done by a public school.
I have long lamented that the schools I had to deal with were uninterested in teaching the kids how to think and were more interested in making the kids memorize. I think this is becoming more and more epidemic of all our learning institutions and in this case I am afraid it might prove fatal to our country.
She had no grasp of reality, history or how to think for herself. all she could do was spout the "facts" she memorized (BTW this is at the college level I am talking about).
when I presented her with the facts, and when I showed her incontrovertible evidence, all she could do was fall back on the old evade and redirect tactics employed by liberals everywhere.
I was discussing Equality and the lack thereof in our society, she had to make it about Racism.
"no, no," I would say, "I want equality, true equality!" and her response was "that is a racist attitude." now I ask you since when is wanting equality racist?
She denied that inequality exists. I pointed out to her that there is so MUCH inequality that it has even leaked into the major media networks despite their trying to do all they can to cover it up. So she switched tactics well the inequality you are talking about is nothing compared to the inequality faced by others.
So I try pointing out that while the inequality she is referring to was horrendous, I do not deny it's existence and I am as quick to condemn it as anyone, This still isn't addressing the issue I brought up, That is in the past I am talking about right now.
"My point is," I rephrase, "Any inequality or discrimination is bad. and we need to fix the discrimination/inequalities that exist right NOW."
"Well there are lots of things that you get to have still." she states then she proceeds to list a lot of Things that "I have that others don't" unfortunately she is wrong historically and realistically.
I point this out to her and give her the real facts even showing her where she can verify them.
She ignores what I say and repeats herself, Oh but wait did I detect a note of self doubt? so I repeat my points again...
It then hit me. this whole byplay reminded me of the movie "Hunt for Red October." there is a scene where the U.S. Submarine is following a new Soviet Sub. the Soviets have developed a new super quiet drive system. when the new drive is switched on the computer decides that what it is hearing is "Magma Displacement" see the computer cannot think so it falls back on it old programming which happens to be seismic studies. The Sonar man however has a mind and can think. so he is able to figure out what it really is.
That was what I was trying to struggle against. this person was "programmed" and cannot think.
I was trying to overcome memorization with logic and thought. and these things don't compute. all because the teache... wait no the Programmer had a bone to pick with a certain race and so foisted this off an the poor girl.
The worst part is that it is not only permitted, it is encouraged today. because this is what the "politically correct" want.
Showing posts with label Discrimination. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Discrimination. Show all posts
June 05, 2009
June 03, 2009
Discrimination.
I recently posted a bit of the tiff I was having with my Cousin. BTW, she still maintains I am wrong but...
So I sent her an E-mail today, honestly I am a little upset with myself that I did. I called her closed minded. I hate devolving to the lower levels, leaves me feeling icky.
in fact here is what I said to her.
The someone else I "sent" her; was Mr. Thomas Sowell. an African American and altogether down to earth kind of guy.
He was talking about the impending appointment of Mrs. Sotomayor to the supreme court. In that article... well why don't you Check it out yourself? (<--- click on the white.)
I highlighted certain parts, so I would like to give you those points...
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And so on.
See that was exactly my point. there is a new breed of discrimination out there, and it is aimed at whites.
And whatever the past may have. I am trying to focus on NOW.
It could be argued that all races in this world have faced atrocities beyond belief in the past.
But as much as I like History, I do not live there. I choose to live here and now; and living here and now means confronting the injustices of here and now.
The real benefit we can get from looking at the past is to see what mistakes were made so they are not made now, but the argument of my cousin is that we need to live in the past now so we can "make up" for the things done to minorities in America then, and that attitude is what is driving us to the brink of the same problems all over again.
There is nothing we can do now, about then.
So let's start focusing on making it right for ALL people today.
So I sent her an E-mail today, honestly I am a little upset with myself that I did. I called her closed minded. I hate devolving to the lower levels, leaves me feeling icky.
in fact here is what I said to her.
I am so sorry that you have been exhausted by our Debate.
I really wish you would LISTEN to me instead of flying off the handle trying to intimate that I am a racist jerk (yes my words you did not say them but you DID imply them.)!
I have tried to explain to you that you totally misinterpreted the original e-mail, I tried to interpret it for you, and you wouldn't "listen" now I finally give up.
I will take a brief moment to point out that approximately 70% of everything you tried to state regarding WHY you were arguing with me was at best misinformation at worst a complete and utter lie.
For example there is not a single "Whites only" holiday out there. there never was. You cite Christmas and Easter.
AGAIN Christmas and Easter are CHRISTIAN Holidays and the very first Christians were ALL "MINORITIES". if there was EVER an all white religion it is either druidism or the Norse gods of Asgard. (and neither of those have holidays that we celebrate in the U.S.)
You cite St Patrick's day (again this could be considered Christian) but in the history of America, Irishmen, which is whom the holiday would be aimed at, at one time were reviled as much as, if not even MORE than, African or Asian Americans. This is Historical fact. Look it up.
But if you really want to keep insisting that Christianity is all white, then I do win because in that case, African's have faced slavery and persecution for about 300 years as far as that goes, But Christians are still persecuted today, they have been fed to Lions for people's amusement, they have been beaten, Stoned, Crucified, Burned to death, Drawn and Quartered (particularly nasty that.) shall I go on?
Therefore if you really want to claim that the RELIGIOUS holidays of Christmas and Easter are ALL whites only then you have to accept that logically that means white men have suffered more and longer than any other race.
Otherwise we come back to my original point. there is no special treatment for White's BUT there is for Everyone else who will avail themselves of it.
I think, however, that you are too closed minded to hear me. so I will try to let you hear from someone else.
The someone else I "sent" her; was Mr. Thomas Sowell. an African American and altogether down to earth kind of guy.
He was talking about the impending appointment of Mrs. Sotomayor to the supreme court. In that article... well why don't you Check it out yourself? (<--- click on the white.)
I highlighted certain parts, so I would like to give you those points...
In Washington, the clearer a statement is, the more certain it is to be followed by a "clarification" when people realize what was said. The clearly racist comments made by Judge Sonia Sotomayor on the Berkeley campus in 2001 have forced the spinmasters to resort to their last-ditch excuse, that it was "taken out of context."
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What could such statements possibly mean -- in any context -- other than the new and fashionable racism of our time, rather than the old-fashioned racism of earlier times? Racism has never done this country any good, and it needs to be fought against, not put under new management for different groups.
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Looked at in the context of Judge Sotomayor's voting to dismiss the appeal of white firefighters who were denied the promotions they had earned by passing an exam, because not enough minorities passed that exam to create "diversity," her words in Berkeley seem to match her actions on the judicial bench in the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals all too well.
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Apparently the famous "empathy" that President Obama says a judge should have does not apply to white males in Judge Sotomayor's court.
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And so on.
See that was exactly my point. there is a new breed of discrimination out there, and it is aimed at whites.
And whatever the past may have. I am trying to focus on NOW.
It could be argued that all races in this world have faced atrocities beyond belief in the past.
But as much as I like History, I do not live there. I choose to live here and now; and living here and now means confronting the injustices of here and now.
The real benefit we can get from looking at the past is to see what mistakes were made so they are not made now, but the argument of my cousin is that we need to live in the past now so we can "make up" for the things done to minorities in America then, and that attitude is what is driving us to the brink of the same problems all over again.
There is nothing we can do now, about then.
So let's start focusing on making it right for ALL people today.
June 02, 2009
Oh dear, This might get people upset.
This is one of my earliest posts on topic. Tuesday, October 7, 2008.
O.K. once more unto the breach, dear friends, go I.
That’s right, it is the season of politics and so back to politics this blog must go.
My first point is this, back when this race for the president got started, I stated that I was concerned about the reason/s people would use for voting the way they chose. More than that I was worried that people would point fingers and accuse others for voting a particular way because of a bias towards race or gender.
I remember a time when, in Arizona, there was a vote about what holiday/s we ought to “celebrate” the choice was (a) Martin Luther King Jr. day, (b) Christopher Columbus day or (c) both.
The way the vote came out was essentially, “we do not want TWO holidays added, and if we have to pick between Christopher Columbus or Martin Luther King. Then we guess it will be Columbus.
The rest of the country (it seemed) came down on the state of Arizona declaring that all the citizens of that state must be “RACIST” because we were “against Martin Luther King. But that wasn’t the case we were not “against” King. We were just for Columbus. But EVERYONE did everything they could to intimidate all of Arizona until finally Arizona gave in and switched from the idea of Columbus Day and instead made Martin Luther King Day the holiday of choice.
Now I want to make one thing very clear here… For most Arizonans it was not about race. We couldn’t have cared less one way or the other. There might have been a few who were motivated by racism but I am quite certain that race was NOT the main point for the majority of the voters.
The really disturbing thing there for me was the fact that even though the people of the state made a choice in the polls they were forced to change their minds FOR NO GOOD REASON. Just because someone else CHOSE to be offended.
Like wise I wonder how many people will be offended at all the people who vote “against” Senator Obama. See when I think about going to the polls and voting in this election season I see myself voting for the candidate of my choice based on little things like… Issues! Moral Fiber! Leadership Ability! Those are the concerns as I see them.
Recently I watched an episode of Frasier. In that episode Martin (the dad) sides with one candidate and his sons side with the other. During the taping of a commercial for the candidate the sons want in office they discover, what is to them, A serious flaw. Their candidate believes in extraterrestrial beings. Now to these brothers, who are both psychiatrists, this is madness and they believe that their choice of candidate is totally unhinged and incompetent. But because they don’t like the other guy they still do everything they can to get their guy elected.
See they sold out completely. When they threw their support behind their guy, they decided that it did not matter that he was a total loony tune, it didn’t matter that he might lead the country into total danger because of his views or beliefs. All that mattered was getting their candidate elected. They threw away EVERYTHING they believed they compromised all their morals they corrupted all their values. All for the wrong reasons.
I wonder so much if that is what is going to happen this year. I think it might. We need to be Aware of the facts people. We need to follow the candidates and see what is really going on; and most of all we need to open our eyes and start realizing that the person we elect should be elected because he/she stands up for what is right, (not just sounds good) has the strength and fortitude to take office (doesn’t get wishy washy) and will serve the needs of the people rather than his own needs.
No bones here I am for John McCain. He has been a straight shooter while Barak Obama has continuously covered up and lied. John McCain has served the country, sometimes making hard choices to do so, Barak Obama has shown at every step that he is only interested in serving himself.
So why is it that people are willing to shoot themselves In the foot, voting for someone unprepared to take the highest office in the land? People we are all on the verge of selling out! Please when you vote; LOOK AT THE ISSUES. Look at the voting record, look at who has shown himself most willing to be up front. Don’t look at the smooth patter, or the idea of political correctness. Those are not issues and if those are the criteria you choose to base your vote on it could cost us more than we can Imagine.
O.K. once more unto the breach, dear friends, go I.
That’s right, it is the season of politics and so back to politics this blog must go.
My first point is this, back when this race for the president got started, I stated that I was concerned about the reason/s people would use for voting the way they chose. More than that I was worried that people would point fingers and accuse others for voting a particular way because of a bias towards race or gender.
I remember a time when, in Arizona, there was a vote about what holiday/s we ought to “celebrate” the choice was (a) Martin Luther King Jr. day, (b) Christopher Columbus day or (c) both.
The way the vote came out was essentially, “we do not want TWO holidays added, and if we have to pick between Christopher Columbus or Martin Luther King. Then we guess it will be Columbus.
The rest of the country (it seemed) came down on the state of Arizona declaring that all the citizens of that state must be “RACIST” because we were “against Martin Luther King. But that wasn’t the case we were not “against” King. We were just for Columbus. But EVERYONE did everything they could to intimidate all of Arizona until finally Arizona gave in and switched from the idea of Columbus Day and instead made Martin Luther King Day the holiday of choice.
Now I want to make one thing very clear here… For most Arizonans it was not about race. We couldn’t have cared less one way or the other. There might have been a few who were motivated by racism but I am quite certain that race was NOT the main point for the majority of the voters.
The really disturbing thing there for me was the fact that even though the people of the state made a choice in the polls they were forced to change their minds FOR NO GOOD REASON. Just because someone else CHOSE to be offended.
Like wise I wonder how many people will be offended at all the people who vote “against” Senator Obama. See when I think about going to the polls and voting in this election season I see myself voting for the candidate of my choice based on little things like… Issues! Moral Fiber! Leadership Ability! Those are the concerns as I see them.
Recently I watched an episode of Frasier. In that episode Martin (the dad) sides with one candidate and his sons side with the other. During the taping of a commercial for the candidate the sons want in office they discover, what is to them, A serious flaw. Their candidate believes in extraterrestrial beings. Now to these brothers, who are both psychiatrists, this is madness and they believe that their choice of candidate is totally unhinged and incompetent. But because they don’t like the other guy they still do everything they can to get their guy elected.
See they sold out completely. When they threw their support behind their guy, they decided that it did not matter that he was a total loony tune, it didn’t matter that he might lead the country into total danger because of his views or beliefs. All that mattered was getting their candidate elected. They threw away EVERYTHING they believed they compromised all their morals they corrupted all their values. All for the wrong reasons.
I wonder so much if that is what is going to happen this year. I think it might. We need to be Aware of the facts people. We need to follow the candidates and see what is really going on; and most of all we need to open our eyes and start realizing that the person we elect should be elected because he/she stands up for what is right, (not just sounds good) has the strength and fortitude to take office (doesn’t get wishy washy) and will serve the needs of the people rather than his own needs.
No bones here I am for John McCain. He has been a straight shooter while Barak Obama has continuously covered up and lied. John McCain has served the country, sometimes making hard choices to do so, Barak Obama has shown at every step that he is only interested in serving himself.
So why is it that people are willing to shoot themselves In the foot, voting for someone unprepared to take the highest office in the land? People we are all on the verge of selling out! Please when you vote; LOOK AT THE ISSUES. Look at the voting record, look at who has shown himself most willing to be up front. Don’t look at the smooth patter, or the idea of political correctness. Those are not issues and if those are the criteria you choose to base your vote on it could cost us more than we can Imagine.
May 31, 2009
Racism 2000 and beyond-----
Recently I got into A bit of a spat with my Cousin. I thought I would share my view (and hers) here.
A little background I received (and forwarded) an Email from a friend. the Email was attributed as being a statement by Michael Richards (Kramer of Seinfeld) in court when he was defending himself against charges of racism and hate speech.
My cousin took umbrage at some of the points in the email proving to me that she didn't see what was being said but rather she saw what she chose to interpret as a hateful attitude.
Yes that's right I am saying she missed the point.
I think I see part of our problem here. I believe you are reading more into that email then is really there.
You are seeing this as an issue of race, I see this as an issue of pride. The whole idea of that email was to try to show that we ought to have the right to be proud of our heritage as much as anyone else.
IT WAS NOT AN ATTACK AT ANY OTHER RACE.
The point in the message, was that minorities often/usually get special treatment and behavior. This isn’t against any one minority (or even multiples) so much as an out lashing at a society that allows this stuff to happen.
First off the title was about white pride. This is about me having the right to be proud of my race period end of story. I deserve the right to be proud of my race as do you and as does everyone else.
The question is asked…
This is not an attack against any race this is a question WHY AM I RACIST FOR BEING PROUD TO BE WHITE OR WHATEVER BUT ANY ONE ELSE ANYONE ELSE WHO DISPLAYS SIMILAR FEELINGS FOR THEIR RACE IS O.K.? or just being human?
The point is along the lines of We, as a society, are ready and willing to prosecute any white man for any offense real or imagined but ANY one who makes the same offense or worse against a white is given a pass. This is not as much about race, as it is being about people ready to jump on the P.C. bandwagon and insist that whites are evil. Back to the Email.
This does not slam any race it asks why am I being treated poorly while everyone else isn’t and in fact they are given the right to a special title. But I have to endure epithets.
(editors note here. the fact that I had to edit the slang here for the "minorities" but the white epithets pass muster prove the point in itself)
This point follows up stating if I try to use epithets like you do I am evil.
Here the point is being made that the claims that white people are the primogenitors of all the violence but the areas that are the most dangerous are those where whites don’t choose to live.
And before you make the argument that I know is on your mind right now… There is the opportunity for all people to chose to live where they want.
Colin Powell, Bill Cosby, Will Smith, Barack Obama, Oprah Winfrey, Martin Lawrence, Wanda Sykes, Denzel Washington, Thomas Sowell, even Martin Luther King Jr. made a choice of where to live.
So can all the others here… “oh but they are all famous and special Cases”… right? Well what about my former Boss from Tusayan McDonalds? Or the bus driver/former U.S.M.C. D.I. who I worked with. Or the single mother of a student who rode my buss… they all made a choice too. (The mom moved to AZ from Tennessee!)
They have a choice… more so than I, in where they will live. They have access to special government grants that I cannot get to. They have more scholarships and government grants offered to them than I get. So they have more opportunities; or at least the same opportunities as me.
See the whole of the email I sent was stating I have a right to be proud of who I am. I reread the whole email just now and I see absolutely no racism being directed at anyone. That you see it worries me about your perceptions.
The points it brings up about other races, and what they have, is to make the point that All those races get preferential treatment as outlined in the email to begin with, except for whites.
In other words, our society will bend over backward for any minority! BUT anyone who is white gets the shaft.
This observation is NOT racist towards anyone it is pointing out that we are being discriminated against. Just the same as the observation made 250 years ago that most African Americans were slaves wasn’t racism towards whites but a statement of fact.
the only "Racism" being pointed out in that fact is that the whites were discriminating against African Americans. well the "racism" pointed out in the other fact is towards whites.
Your original response defended the rights of minorities, which is fine but again it is at the expense of another group. (Whites)
You said
Last I saw the entire spectrum of races can be in, on or watch any other channel. I see George Lopez, Will Smith and all other people of all races on all channels. ONLY BET aims directly at any one particular race.
No last I checked there is NOT any day out there for white pride day! If there is I need to know about it because I ought to be allowed to celebrate it too. And as for the “holidays” being all-Christian.
First this is not about Christianity. This is about how whites are being discriminated against racially.
Second, This month we had Cinco De Mayo, Mothers day and Memorial Day.
NONE of those are Christian holidays.
This is not about what was, this is about what is.
Again I have to point out many of these people (note I did NOT say all of them) live there by choice. They could move OR they could improve their communities… it has been done before.
Again this is not about what WAS this is about what is.
And Finally…
So Here, I am apparently (according to you) completely wrong. In every way shape or form, and so is anyone else who thinks the same thing. For thinking we ought to have the same rights as oh say ANY person of ANY race other than white.
This isn’t just about me. We want equality. Period. That anyone would be offended is proof that the argument given is valid.
A little background I received (and forwarded) an Email from a friend. the Email was attributed as being a statement by Michael Richards (Kramer of Seinfeld) in court when he was defending himself against charges of racism and hate speech.
My cousin took umbrage at some of the points in the email proving to me that she didn't see what was being said but rather she saw what she chose to interpret as a hateful attitude.
Yes that's right I am saying she missed the point.
I think I see part of our problem here. I believe you are reading more into that email then is really there.
You are seeing this as an issue of race, I see this as an issue of pride. The whole idea of that email was to try to show that we ought to have the right to be proud of our heritage as much as anyone else.
IT WAS NOT AN ATTACK AT ANY OTHER RACE.
The point in the message, was that minorities often/usually get special treatment and behavior. This isn’t against any one minority (or even multiples) so much as an out lashing at a society that allows this stuff to happen.
First off the title was about white pride. This is about me having the right to be proud of my race period end of story. I deserve the right to be proud of my race as do you and as does everyone else.
The question is asked…
“I have been wondering about why Whites are racists, and no other race is.....”
This is not an attack against any race this is a question WHY AM I RACIST FOR BEING PROUD TO BE WHITE OR WHATEVER BUT ANY ONE ELSE ANYONE ELSE WHO DISPLAYS SIMILAR FEELINGS FOR THEIR RACE IS O.K.? or just being human?
The point is along the lines of We, as a society, are ready and willing to prosecute any white man for any offense real or imagined but ANY one who makes the same offense or worse against a white is given a pass. This is not as much about race, as it is being about people ready to jump on the P.C. bandwagon and insist that whites are evil. Back to the Email.
“There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, etc..
And then there are just Americans. You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction... You call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,' 'Whitey,' 'Caveman'..... and that's OK.”
This does not slam any race it asks why am I being treated poorly while everyone else isn’t and in fact they are given the right to a special title. But I have to endure epithets.
“But when I call you [names]You call me a racist.”
(editors note here. the fact that I had to edit the slang here for the "minorities" but the white epithets pass muster prove the point in itself)
This point follows up stating if I try to use epithets like you do I am evil.
“You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you... so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?”
Here the point is being made that the claims that white people are the primogenitors of all the violence but the areas that are the most dangerous are those where whites don’t choose to live.
And before you make the argument that I know is on your mind right now… There is the opportunity for all people to chose to live where they want.
Colin Powell, Bill Cosby, Will Smith, Barack Obama, Oprah Winfrey, Martin Lawrence, Wanda Sykes, Denzel Washington, Thomas Sowell, even Martin Luther King Jr. made a choice of where to live.
So can all the others here… “oh but they are all famous and special Cases”… right? Well what about my former Boss from Tusayan McDonalds? Or the bus driver/former U.S.M.C. D.I. who I worked with. Or the single mother of a student who rode my buss… they all made a choice too. (The mom moved to AZ from Tennessee!)
They have a choice… more so than I, in where they will live. They have access to special government grants that I cannot get to. They have more scholarships and government grants offered to them than I get. So they have more opportunities; or at least the same opportunities as me.
See the whole of the email I sent was stating I have a right to be proud of who I am. I reread the whole email just now and I see absolutely no racism being directed at anyone. That you see it worries me about your perceptions.
The points it brings up about other races, and what they have, is to make the point that All those races get preferential treatment as outlined in the email to begin with, except for whites.
In other words, our society will bend over backward for any minority! BUT anyone who is white gets the shaft.
This observation is NOT racist towards anyone it is pointing out that we are being discriminated against. Just the same as the observation made 250 years ago that most African Americans were slaves wasn’t racism towards whites but a statement of fact.
the only "Racism" being pointed out in that fact is that the whites were discriminating against African Americans. well the "racism" pointed out in the other fact is towards whites.
Your original response defended the rights of minorities, which is fine but again it is at the expense of another group. (Whites)
You said
“okay. BET is one channel on the dial. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE OTHER CHANNELS ARE???”
Last I saw the entire spectrum of races can be in, on or watch any other channel. I see George Lopez, Will Smith and all other people of all races on all channels. ONLY BET aims directly at any one particular race.
“every day is white people day, every holiday is a christian holiday,”
No last I checked there is NOT any day out there for white pride day! If there is I need to know about it because I ought to be allowed to celebrate it too. And as for the “holidays” being all-Christian.
First this is not about Christianity. This is about how whites are being discriminated against racially.
Second, This month we had Cinco De Mayo, Mothers day and Memorial Day.
NONE of those are Christian holidays.
“every college was a white college til it was integrated.”
This is not about what was, this is about what is.
“ghettoes are dangerous because people resort to crime when they're under that kind of pressure.”
Again I have to point out many of these people (note I did NOT say all of them) live there by choice. They could move OR they could improve their communities… it has been done before.
“black people WERE excluded from miss america-- and from EVERYTHING ELSE-- back when we had SEGREGATION. if a black person kills a white person, chances are they'll be prosecuted, which is more than could be said back in the days when black people were lynched without consequence.”
Again this is not about what WAS this is about what is.
And Finally…
“ a little perspective? PLEASE don't listen to ignorant people like this.”
So Here, I am apparently (according to you) completely wrong. In every way shape or form, and so is anyone else who thinks the same thing. For thinking we ought to have the same rights as oh say ANY person of ANY race other than white.
This isn’t just about me. We want equality. Period. That anyone would be offended is proof that the argument given is valid.
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